Amber: Hey, what's up? You're listening to a podcast with me and Megan Teerlink. What's up, Megan?
Megan: Hi guys.
Amber: So we thought it'd be fun to record a podcast because full disclosure, we have a class coming up that we want to invite you to, but we also want to kind of share some behind the scenes and thoughts about the universal laws that we're going to be teaching about. And so I'm going to start by asking Megan a few questions. Is that okay? Megan, you ready?
Megan: You know it. I'm ready.
Amber: Okay, and I know you, but I want to introduce you to my audience. You've been on my podcast before, and I think… I don't know if I've been on your podcast, but we've been in each other's worlds a lot, but specifically about what we're going to talk about with mastery and transformation and universal laws. Where did that curiosity start for you?
Megan: Oh, loaded question. Okay. So I have always been a history nerd, you could say. I've always been into philosophy. I mean, my favorite class in college was philanthropy.
I've always loved figuring out why people do what they do. And more even than that, I love to figure out what makes people happy or like what makes people thrive. And so I've always just loved looking backwards and trying to figure out what people were doing. I don't even really know how to explain it, but like a draw, to understand my ancestors, understand people.
And so, in high school, I loved history. My history teacher would tell you, you were weird. Like, you would come to my desk, like, ask did the Stoics actually… and he'd be like, okay. You know, and always helping me understand things. And so it started way back when I was young. But then on top of that, my mom was a yoga teacher.
I grew up very religious and my family was very religious, but I was never really afraid to look outside of my religion for truth because my mom did. And my mom taught yoga. When I was in college and I was feeling a little stressed out, and yoga had really helped me calm down when I was stressed out.
I decided to go get my yoga teacher training. And it was then that I really saw truth, universal truth. Like, oh my gosh, they're saying the same things that I believe. But in just different language with like semantics were different, you know, the language was a little bit different, but they're saying really beautiful things.
And I think for me, because I had grown up in my faith tradition, my religion, a lot of the phrases that I heard at church kind of would go in one ear and out the other because they were just so habitual. I just had heard them since I was little. But when I was hearing them with new language, I was able to digest it and understand it. And I was able to see the connection between the two. And it was really a liberating experience for me.
Amber: I love that. I feel like what you said resonates with me because it's a cliche because like being religious, you hear the same thing, like you said, over and over and over again. I also think this is true, even if you're not religious, like you start hearing the way that your parents talk about success or happiness or spirituality or whatever.
It becomes almost like you don't see it. You know what I mean? It's just like… and then when you study it in a different context, it's like, oh, even though it's the same principle. It said differently. So it lands differently. We'll talk about more specifics, but I think that's super interesting. So it started with philosophy, then yoga, and then tell us from there, you didn't stop there…
Megan: Since there we've gone on a journey, but yeah. So, I dove into yoga philosophy. I learned like the Niyamas. The Niyamas, in fact, my favorite part of my yoga teacher training was the philosophical part of it.
I always loved the spiritual part of yoga more even than the physical. But I started a yoga studio and at that, I dove deeper. I got a bigger training, like a 500 hour training in my yoga where we had to study like the Bhagavad Gita and some of these like ancient texts and that was really enlightening to me.
I just, I grew so much. I mean, I'll never forget, I was in a yoga teacher training and there's a word in yoga called the parivraha and it means to let go. It's like non hoarding to not be greedy and hold things, you know. My yoga teacher just like started talking… it was the first time I've ever heard of this.
The internet wasn't as big as it is today and stuff. And she started talking about minimalism. She's like, how much makeup do you have in your makeup box? You know, and I had so much at the time and it was just like mind blowing to me, like oh my gosh, I have way more than I need.
I just started learning some of these things, and I started to apply them. And it was that application that just fueled me to want to learn more and more because I was able to see the fruit of applying the information that I was soaking up. So, went to yoga training, learned a ton. From then on, I've done just my own deep dives. I'm like somebody who gets like nerdy deep dive, hyper focused.
Amber: Yeah. ADHD a little bit. That's fine.
Megan: Like, I pick a topic and I just eat at it and go into it pretty intensely. I do it with my scripture study and that's been my favorite place actually now, seeing it in so many different books and stuff.
Now I love to read it in my scriptures because I can be like, oh, and in, you know, this book I read meditations by Marcus Aurelius. Or he said the same thing you know, and my favorite thing ever is to see the connections. And that's what I have done for the last, like, five, six years is just connect, just try to connect to dots because it makes me feel so unified, I guess, or connected to the people before me, to the people around me even if we are incredibly different. I feel like the dots connecting for me just make me feel like one with the collective, which I love.
Amber: Yeah. That's so good. And I think it's unique because you have maybe a vocabulary that isn't… like, most people aren't going around studying yoga philosophy and stuff, but you have like words. Like I remember the first time I heard you speak about, oh, you're gonna have to correct me on the name.
Megan: Brahmacharya
Amber: Which we'll talk about more, I'm sure. I was like, I love that word.
Megan: Well, it's cool when you study a different language. One of my big long term goals is I want to learn language. Like it's really important to me that I learn different languages. So right now I'm studying Spanish because it's the easiest one, and I have friends that speak Spanish so I can work on it.
But once I learn Spanish, my overall like life goal would be to learn Hebrew and maybe Arabic. When you hear these words that our English language doesn't have a word for at least that I've found. It’'s exciting almost because I'm trying to explain something and I'm like, there's not a word in our language, but here's what I can kind of pool. I can see how translations of scripture and stuff get mixed up and lost in semantics, in words, and in language. So for me, I love Sanskrit because there's words that in English, I don't know how to articulate even. I have to use the Sanskrit word to explain what I'm trying to say.
Amber: Tell everyone so we close this loop, but what does Brahmacharya mean?
Megan: So in Sanskrit, brahmacharya means actually like just enough. It's the idea of moderation and non excess. In yoga philosophy is actually practiced as celibacy because the idea was that we have this life energy, this vital life energy that is creative, and that we need to use that creative energy with wisdom. And so we need to have times of restraint to draw back that creative energy so that we know how to use it with wisdom. I think it's totally applicable to sex, but I also think it's a million percent applicable to like coaching.
If this is your life calling and your mission, knowing how to use that creative energy with wisdom and not use it to break yourself or hurt others or yourself. Burnout is the main thing that I think of. Like moderate, pull back, use it smart. And so I love that word brahmacharya because I never…
Amber: And growing up I heard that as moderation in all things.
Megan: Yes, temperance is another word that people use to describe brahmacharya.
Amber: Yes, and so it's interesting because like moderation and all things didn't resonate for me, but like non excess brahmacharya, like for me. And that's like the example you're talking about, that brought to life an understanding of the same principle in a different way that landed for me.
Megan: Yeah, for me it made me understand the law of chastity. I just thought it was just a rule, you know, or something like that. But no, there's meaning behind it that I didn't quite understand before, somewhere in the scriptures. I don't know where, but somewhere it says that God speaks to us in the language of our soul.
Like he speaks to us in our language. And so I found that to be true. Like sometimes I see God or hear God or feel God. And it's in different language than you would think.
Amber; Yeah, because I think too, the way that I understand it is like, God is always trying to talk to people and so the way that they decipher the way that God is talking maybe resonated for them. Like the person who quote, invented brahmacharya, I know they didn't invent it, but interpreted this understanding, this truth and then shared it, resonated for them and like some people resonate with that. Some people resonate with temperance. Some people resonate with discipline. Some people resonate with moderation in all things. And it's like just trying to reach the people so that it resonates at the level of understanding and the words that they use.
Megan: Exactly.
Amber: So good. Do you have anything else to add?
Megan: I love to learn. Have you seen, um, Girls Just Wanna Have Fun? It's like 80s. It's got Sarah Jessica Parker. Anyways, there's a part she's like, I love to dance. And it's so cheesy, but I love to learn. I just dive into learning as much as I can. And one thing that I've had people ask me is because I read a lot. I listen to a lot of books and I read a lot of books. And people ask me like, how? And something that's really big for me is I really never I don't want to ever read a book that doesn't apply to me.
I always am asking myself as I'm reading and as I'm listening, like why does this matter to me? Because, you can get all this information. Why does brahmacharya matter to Megan? Why does all of these Sanskrit words or these scripture words or whatever, why do I need to study and why do I care?
And it's been through the application of the knowledge and taking the information and actually applying it to myself and my own personal situations that I've seen actual transformation, actual growth. And that gets me really excited. It makes me want to keep reading because information is just information, but information applied is pretty exciting.
Amber: Yeah, it's powerful. I feel like our whole friendship is based on what we're learning. It's so funny. Me and Megan are like, what books have you read recently?
Megan: Can we have a book club?
Amber: Give me a list. I agree. And that's something that when we were talking about running this class, that was important to us is the application. Like we don't just want more content, cause I read a lot too, but it's not just consuming content. I don't feel like I'm buffering my life. I don't think that I'm over consuming. That's not how I experience it. It's like a hunger for knowledge that I can use in my parenting, which by the way, I was going to tell you this. I started reading Hunt Gathered Parent.
Megan: Do you like it?
Amber: I love it. But you recommend it, right?
Megan: Yeah. I love that book. It's my favorite book.
Amber; Yeah it's so good. So it's like I already did it. I already was like, hey three year old, make your own toast. I was like, I just learned this, you need to do more stuff. And she did it. Messy, but she did it. Anyway, I tried to immediately apply something as soon as I can. I'm curious if you have an example for brahmacharya, just cause we talked about, do you remember when you're like, I'm going to start, was it makeup? Is that what it was?
Megan: No, that was for a party girl. Another word. Brahmacharya is actually a really big deal for my business. It's actually like changed my experience of business and of my calling and my mission on earth. It's essentialism and it's at the heart of my mission.
I feel like I believe everybody has a purpose, but I found that letting that purpose become my God and overdoing it caused me to burn out and it made me miserable. I couldn't do the work. I had no wisdom in it, and so I've learned now to apply brahmacharya in that, I'm very creative, like that creative energy flowing needs to be used wisely.
I can't just like, blah, all over everything, this like random creative energy. I have to have focus and use it with wisdom and moderation and apply it, smart and like put things together with focus. That's how I don't burn out. That's how I'm able to keep doing the work. I love in the New Testament, Jesus, He just got done fasting for 40 days and 40 nights. And Satan comes and he's like, hey, you should turn this stone into bread.
And like, of course, Jesus was probably really, really hungry. The flesh part of Him probably wanted to turn that into bread, but He knew He had to do the Father's will and like that had to be aligned to use that creative energy to create some bread right there.
It needed to be in alignment and it needed to not be used to just satisfy His flesh. For me in my business, I tried to apply that teaching as well. Like, am I doing this to make myself feel good about myself to satisfy my flesh? Am I doing this to make myself feel good? Or am I doing this because it's aligned and how I meant to serve the world. Brahmacharya, man. It's been a big part of my life.
Amber: I didn't know we were gonna go this deep. But I like it.
Megan: Sorry.
Amber: I think it's so good. Cause like, I'm curious… this is what our class is going to be like. We're like, wait, wait, wait, let's talk. I think there's like a submission. I'm sure we'll talk about this, but like the flesh has to submit to the spirit.
I feel like that's part of brahmacharya and moderation where it's a submission to something higher. I feel like in business, it's so easy to do this with the things of the world, like money and power and fame and impact and influence and followers. It's so easy to get lost in that. The other thing, it's like a lie that at some point you'll have enough
You won't. You'll never get enough. And so it gets you out of order because you're like going something that's never enough and brahmacharya is a principle of like, just enough.
Megan: Yeah. And I love in the teaching of brahmacharya, they talk about chaos a lot. They talk about like when things are out of it shakes up order and order is what keeps peace and keeps things safe moving appropriate, aligned. When I learned about brahmacharya, we talked a lot about how when you're working outside of brahmacharya, when you're too much, it creates chaos.
And you can see that even in a house. If you have, crap all over your walls, everywhere, it's chaotic. It doesn't feel order. It doesn't feel good. And it causes overwhelm, heaviness. And I think of burnt out. That's what it feels like, heavy.
Amber: And I love principles of nature too like I'm thinking of a garden like… If we flooded the garden, and I know that there's irrigation in your backyard garden…
Megan: Yeah, normal gardening you guys…
Amber: And you brought a thousand gallons of water because you were so excited, you'd kill it. If you water it just enough every day, it'll grow whatever you want it to grow. Business is the same. Parenting is the same. It is just enough.
And Jesus talks about like the daily bread. It is just enough and you don't worry about tomorrow. You don't have these thoughts, I'm sure we'll go there too, but it leaks over into so many other aspects of success. Just this one principle. And this is what I'm most excited about is the connection between all the principles where it's like, this is what works in harmony.
Megan: Brahmacharya too is like priorities. For me, where I was off, I'll just tell you guys the truth, like where I was off is I get so excited about my business that my home and my kids would become like last place. Even though my higher brain or like my higher self knows that my kids come before this work.
But I would get so like oh, I just want to satisfy that urge to create right now. And for me learning how to like draw back and wait until I planned the time. When I'm with my kids, be really present and then be really present with my work instead of like feeling, I have to work all the time.
You know what I mean? I want to do it all. For me, that's a way really applied it is putting things in order and alignment.
Amber: Yeah. So we just talked about a lot of temperance. There you go.
Megan: We're going to go deeper even than that in the class…
Amber: Because what we really want to do, you guys, me and Megan have been like nerding on like, okay, that was one teacher of the… well, we talked about Jesus too. So we talked about brahmacharya and what Jesus said, but we want to bring in the Stoics. We want to bring in their teachers and like, how did all these people talk about it? That way you can find even like the words that you use in your own life.
I feel like you're going to find something that resonates for you so that you can live the law of temperance in a way that feels good to you. And maybe you call it something different. Like in the more mindset world, people call it discipline. That's what that is, right?
Training something that we want most and we give up what we want right now, that's discipline, but that's also non excess. It's also like…
Megan: Totally, they all connect.
Amber: They all connect. Yeah.
Megan: Okay, Amber, I have some questions for you.
Amber: Okay.
Megan: First of all, I know you're like a psychology student. You went to school at BYU, right? And you got your degree.
Amber: Yeah, I got a degree in psychology and I started my master's, but I dropped out.
Megan: Yeah. Boom. So tell me about how you got started in all of this.
Amber: So I think like a lot of people, I was like very curious about why my family behaved the way that they did. Why do my parents do that? Why do I do this? And I learned at a young age that like, I could learn a lot by just asking people really good questions, even as like a little kid. And so I was always kind of interested in like, why people do the things that they do and what were they thinking that caused them to do that?
And so I was like, I remember watching the movie Freaky Friday, which is so funny, but Jamie Lee Curtis is a therapist. She writes this book. She has this fancy office. She has a client that's like obsessed with her in this movie, and she's like helping him. And I just remember, for whatever reason, I was like, I want that.
I want to do that, whatever that is. And so like at 11 or whatever, I was like, I'm gonna be a therapist. My whole life started moving towards me being a therapist. And so I went to BYU, got a degree in psychology. I worked at a residential treatment center where I worked with teenage girls who were really struggling.
So I kind of learned like the diagnostic model is, what I would call it, where the what's wrong with people. But I had one class that was called positive psych. And I was like, why couldn't I do more of this? Like it was studying people who are like exceptional and there's nothing wrong with like abnormal psych. Like I'm so glad there's people in the world that do that, but I was excited about positive psychology. And so kind of like, just put that on the back burner.
I got married. I moved away from BYU. I started my master's program thinking I was going to be a social worker. I got pregnant. I dropped out of my master's program, and I started just braving something. And I think I found Tony Robbins first. I'm pretty sure that was my first introduction.
And I watched the YouTube video and I was like, I never heard any of this. And I had a whole degree. I had a major in psychology and a minor in family studies. So I was like, I never heard any of this personally.
Megan: What the heck?
Amber: It resonated so much more about like changing your physiology and like changing your beliefs to get what you want. And like all the things that Tony masterfully teaches. I remember reading the book Awaken the Giant Within. This book, I remember as someone who struggled with depression. I had been in therapy. I had gotten on antidepressants and stuff, and I remember reading the book and being like, I will never be depressed again.
Because I understood for me, depression was because of how I was thinking about my life. I can remember reading the book on my bed. Like, I have this very vivid memory and I was crying from relief. And Wesley came in and he's like, what's wrong?
And I was like, I'm never going to be depressed again. And he was like, okay. He wasn't in my brain. He didn't know what kind of breakthrough that was, you know? And then I found like Brooke Castillo from the Life Coach School. And I found Brennan Brouchard from high performance habits. And like all these teachers started showing up because it's like the statement, when the student is ready, the teacher appears. And that will be a huge theme I'm sure in our class together because we're going to present teachers to you and some will call to you and some won't. You can ask me like, how do you find the books that you read? I'm like, they find me.
Megan: They show up. They just show up.
Amber: They find me when I'm…
Megan: Okay. So while you were talking, this thought I was like, oh yeah, that’s same with me. So I actually had a very similar experience where I was very anxious. I was dealing with that anxiety. I owned a yoga studio, which is funny. It was like, should be so peaceful. You know what I mean? I’m the business owner of it. I loved yoga. I could be so peaceful in yoga, and I could teach a dang good yoga class.
But like the business side of it, I was very anxious and like people being mad at me about things. I changed the schedule and someone would get so mad. And I didn't know how to handle it. And my friend was like hey, I have this thing called Be Bold that I go to. Yeah. And I watched her videos of the model pretty much, and I had a very similar experience.
It was like, Colton, you can change your thoughts. And I even like, my friend was having a hard time. This is so funny now, you guys, this is so cringy, but she's like having a hard time. I like brought her to my house and I'm like, look at this. And I like put up, and I'm like doing it with her on whiteboard, on whiteboard. I'm like running models with her and I'm not a coach, and it just was like mind blown. It was that agency.
Amber: It starts at the level of thought.
Megan: Yes. And I just was like oh my gosh, why did nobody teach me this? And then I like, now I look at all the scriptures they were teaching it. It was the language that I needed.
Amber: This is the biggest theme is it didn't resonate in the language. Cause some people do, some people read the scriptures. But for me, and you, people who are seeking this, I think of as like the truth it's always true. If it's always true, you can use, brahmacharya was a good example and others, where it's like the same principle or we're going to refer to it as like the six laws. It's the same principle in a different way of thinking about it or a different wording that resonates more. It's the same thing though.
Megan: You said with the book, right? Your first book with Tony Robbins and you're like, you know, for me, mine was The Universe Has Your Back by Gabby Bernstein. Yes. And it’s funny because I've heard my whole life that God loves you and God gives and God wants what's best for you. But it wasn't until she used that language, the universe has your back. For me, this net of like God and this universe that He created and everything in it is just working for you. And it wasn't until I heard it like that, that I felt it and I wanted to believe it. And I could believe it. You know?
Amber: Yes. I have so many different moments like that, where I’m like oh, I've heard that my whole life. I remember the attitude of gratitude. That was so hot.
Megan: We had like bracelets we’d snap…
Amber: Yeah and it didn’t land until like studying law of attraction and things like that, where I was like, I get it. You're grateful ahead of time for stuff because that’s how we operate at the frequency of the thing that is already existing, you know, anyway.
Megan: And then Thomas McClunkey said that the gratitude is a portal to the divine. And my whole body like felt it, I was like oh my gosh, I get gratitude. Yeah. And it's just like those moments. The reason why, I think Amber and I are very similar in this. Those moments are so exciting. I get like so excited. That’s why I want to read the next book, you know. I’m like let's keep going. This is so fun.
Amber: It never ends. That's what's so fun.
Megan: It never ends.
Amber: Yeah. It's so good.
Megan: I love that. Okay. So anything else you want to add? I kind of cut you off there.
Amber: No, it's okay. Cause that was like way before I found coaching, way before. And so I think it just lit a fire on like there's more out there than education the way that I had learned it my whole life, where it was like formal education. It was, I don't use the word self help a lot because it is self help, but I like self education a lot more. Because it's not just self-help, like you're this broken, struggling.
Megan: Yeah. Nobody wants that.
Amber: It's like what me and Megan really want, 'cause like this is what we both do…
Megan: High performance.
Amber: Let's get you, where do you want to go?
Megan: Yes.
Amber: And it doesn't have to be something physical. Like it doesn't even need to be like, let's make a million dollars. Like it doesn't have to be that. It can be like, I wanna create a relationship where I have peace. I want to wake up and feel grateful every day. These are the things that will help you do that. It's not about fixing something…
Megan: Yeah. That's what I like forward focus work way more than I like anything that's past focus. I just like to work forward.
Amber: Yeah. So good. And so then, from there I started a blog and like I know my listeners know, that's when I started coaching, eventually I started coaching, eventually I started running a business and stuff. But like I'll never forget that moment with Tony Robbins. And I have had lots like that from different teachers showing me truth in a different way. And new level and like what Tony Robbins calls a distinction. And that really resonates for me. That's what we want to share is like just distinctions, it's the same thing, but said a different way. The truth can be shown clearer.
Megan: Yeah. And I think it's fun because Amber, she knows a lot about like the metaphysical, like, that vibe or like that way that they speak the sciency, like metaphysical. Like, you've read a lot of books that are written with that language.
And I feel like when you speak like that, it gets me really excited, you know, I love that. I have like the yoga philosophy, like more the Eastern background that I can teach from. And then we both obviously love just like you said, self education, self help. I'll be like, what books are you reading?
Which is my next question for you? Like, tell us some of your favorite books. What do you love to learn from? I know, I know, I know. Just like ones that come up, like the first ones that spew out of your mouth. Give me like three or five.
Amber: How about I give you one in like each, I don't know, area?
Megan: Category. Yeah, totally.
Amber: So like, if I'm doing traditional mindset, Awaken the Giant Within by Tony Robbins because it's very traditional mindset and physiology. If you have never read that book, I think it's like a basic mindset book. Other books that changed my life was by Eckhart Tolle… what…
Megan: New Earth.
Amber: New Earth. Thank you. I was like, it's not Power of Now, but New Earth. I try to read that book every year because it's about ego.
Megan: Yeah, so good. It's where I learned about ego and disconnecting.
Amber: It is so good. Another one, I feel like one of my wheelhouses is wealth consciousness. So it's thinking about how you think about money. So the book that I love is You Too Can Be Prosperous by Robert Russell.
Megan: I just reread that.
Amber: It's so good because it combines ideas of God and prosperity in a way that I think is very, very powerful.
Megan: I love that.
Amber: Another one that I'm rereading right now is A Return to Love by Marianne Williamson. And it's funny because this quote, I used to be obsessed with it. Do you remember the movie Akilah and the Bee?
Megan: I've heard of it, but I've only seen it.
Amber: Okay, I’ve seen it one time, but in the movie, he quotes this book. Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fears that we are more powerful beyond measure, right?
That's from that book. I didn't know that, but that quote was in my room. I loved it. It really resonated with it because I was like really shy and really afraid of being seen and all these things. I found out it was from this book and I love this book. And so that's another book. There's so many, but those are the…
Megan: You know another good book by her. Have you read The Laws of Divine Compensation?
Amber: Divine Compensation, yes.
Megan: Oh, so good.
Amber: Yeah. It's so good.
Megan: It's so good.
Amber: So good.
Megan: Anything by Byron Katie? Yeah.
Amber: Byron Katie. Another book that really changed my life was Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill.
Megan: And Outwitting The Devil. Another one…
Amber: Outwitting The Devil and Master Key to Riches. Those books are so good. Power Versus Force by David Hawkins. It's academic. I made a whole podcast about it because the concept is so powerful. So one of the things that I love is like, what me and my husband call it the law of the counterfeits, where it's like, there's truth, and then there's going to be a counterfeit that's very close.
Megan: We have to talk about it.
Amber: Okay.
Megan: Keep going, keep going. You're going to have to go deep in this.
Amber: So, power is true. Force is very close, but false. So, it's like, I love finding those distinctions. And people can get so easily get caught up in counterfeit because power, the way that I understand it is like one God given, it happens through me, it's always about love and enlightenment and peace.
And it shows up a certain way and then force is the counterfeit to it. Force shows up as like coercion, manipulation, fear. And so one of the ultimate things in a return to love you know, fear and love distinction, which I'm sure we'll talk about when we talk about law of love. Fear sometimes looks like love. When you first hear that, you're like, no, it doesn't. But yes, it does.
Megan: Yes, it does.
Amber: Because when you're worried about your loved ones, that is a very close counterfeit to love, but it's actually fear. And so these distinctions, I love studying them.
Megan: Yes, me too. I have like so many thoughts. I'm like, where do we go? Okay. I love that. Okay I love hearing some of the books that you're reading because I just think it's interesting to hear what people are reading, what they love. Anything else you want to add?
Amber: I don't think so. We can jump into a topic.
Megan: Should we jump into a topic?
Amber: Yeah. Let's go into a topic. Where do we want to go? You guys, we did not plan this podcast. We like texted really quick. Like what are we going to talk about?
Megan: We're just going to let it flow.
Amber: We're going to let it flow. Here we go, flowing.
Megan: Let's talk about, maybe another one of the Yamas or Niyamas because they're going to show up everywhere. What if we did satya. So satya in yoga philosophy means truthfulness. It's about integrity and keeping your word. And I have heard my whole life, you need to have integrity. Don't lie. But when I was in my yoga teacher training, my mind was opened like crazy, because it was like, do you lie to yourself? Are you honest with yourself? Are you willing to see the truth in you? Are you willing to say the truth to people? Are you people pleasing? You know, that's the first time I really had a look at people pleasing and how that's actually lying. I don't know.
I just love Satya. It's one of my favorites. It's in yoga philosophy. Something that was really cool that I learned was it's the second yama. Which by the way, you guys, yama is just so you know, our yogi ethics and they pertain to the world outside of us. So there's niyamas and that's personal ethics.
These are yamas which deal with the outside world. So it's one that deals with the outside world, but Satya is truthfulness and it is the second yama and it comes right after ahimsa which means love. So they always couple love and truth together. And I love that because people are like, oh I'm supposed to be truthful.
I'm just gonna like, say whatever I want to you then or like you know, I'm gonna be so honest and it's like, no, like satya is always paired with ahimsa. You never harm with truth. Truth isn't harming and when you deliver with love, when you feel love as you speak truth, it balances out that. So anyways, for me, this was like a big one in my yoga training.
Amber: Funny example is like, I love people who would tell me that I have something in my teeth as an example. You know what I mean? Because they love me enough to be uncomfortable. I know it's awkward to say, hey, you have something new to eat, but like, I know that we have a relationship.
Megan: Yes. You're like, you love me.
Amber: People who love you tell the truth, the real truth.
Megan: Yeah. Thoughts on this? Because…
Amber: My first thought is four agreements, be impeccable with your word.
Megan: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, me too. It's something that I'm thinking about a lot in my life right now and trying to really integrate and practice is more satya like I've been trying to plan my week out.
And just stick with it. Do what I said I was gonna do. And it's so uncomfortable for me, but I'm really wanting to work on this. Being someone who’s I can trust myself.
Amber: So the first thought I had was a book. I referenced it, but in case you've never heard of it, it's called the Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz. And the first is be impeccable with your word. And we can go into that. Cause in my opinion, like some of my best coaching is helping people be in integrity with the word, like stop saying you're going to do this thing and see how peaceful you feel. Even if you want to do it, like you keep saying you want to start a podcast. What if you said, I'm not going to do a podcast? It helps you be an integrity. It feels weird, but then it helps you be an integrity.
Megan: Yeah, this is like with that brahmacharya a little bit for me. Needing to draw back and be like, oh I had a million ideas, but I'm not gonna do all of them. So I don't have to feel bad that I didn't do all of them. I picked the one that feels aligned and I say I'm gonna do that and then I do that one.
Amber: So then here's another connection; it's more modern. I think of like Brooke Castillo's teachings on higher brain versus lower brain,. Your higher brain will say wake up at 5AM, do a workout, drink water, journal before the kids are at, for me. My lower brain, my phone goes off at 4:55 or whatever.
Megan: I'm like, we're not getting up today.
Amber: And this is where I catch myself, right? It's like, I said, I would do this. So this is about my word, because this is the next powerful thing is like, when you're impeccable with your word, and you tell the truth, your words start to have power.
Megan: Oh, yes, this is exactly. Yes, even universally. Like, my word, I speak things and it happens. And so if we don't develop that strong integrity with ourselves, then nothing around you is going to trust you when you talk. And I say that even energetically. I think about in the scriptures when it says, and you'll say, move this mountain and it will be moved. Your words are so powerful. And so I don't know, I just loved learning this from this angle, but also so many other angles.
Amber: Another one from the Bible, in the beginning was the word and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. It's like, well, what does that mean? Like, it freaking matters.
Megan: It is like, so I feel so passionate about this because exactly what you're talking about, like, I want to say something and something is created because of it. I don't want it to be. I know it sounds kind of like hippie or whatever you guys, you're cool with it but like, I want the universe to listen to me and all the things in the universe to listen to me.
Like I want to be a powerful creator and that requires that I be disciplined. That's that topic of freedom versus freedom to, like if you want the freedom to create things, then you have to refrain from your lower brain taking over.
Amber: Yes. It's hard to be impeccable.
Megan: It's so hard.
Amber: You'll start to notice something coming out of my mouth and it feels different. I'm like, I have to stop saying that because I don't want to say it like, when I hear, this is funny example, but like when I hear people like, well,my kids always get sick this time of year.
I'm like, I would never say that because you are creating that. And for some people like, oh, what a boo boo boo, you know, but it's like, just watch like you think you are reflecting back the truth. But what I think what we're sharing here is no, you are creating it. It's not being reflected. It's going this way towards the result, you know.
Megan: Something I never say, and I’m very passionate about this is, I don't really ever… I don't even wanna say it right now. Like, it feels like, I'm like, I can't say this, you know, but like, I don't ever say I'm tired. It's just not
Amber: Or busy.
Megan: Or busy, yes. Like I have a newborn. And so like I'm not sleeping a lot, but it's really interesting. You guys like I don't even think about how much sleep I get. I give no attention to that, but probably last night I got three or four hours total, but I don't feel tired at all.
And it's because I don't allow any attention or energy to be given to that thought. I never speak it out loud because I know if I say I'm tired, physically, my body feels it the second I say it. It's same with I'm busy, right? Both of our audiences are coaches are familiar with coaching.
So they're familiar with this idea. I love Taylor Swift though. Like when she says to Travis Kelce, like jet lag is a choice. He's like, aren't you so tired from jet lag? She's like, jet lag's a choice. And I was like, yeah, like, she's not gonna speak that, you know. She'd be like, I'm so tired. Like, no, you're creating it.
And then another thought I have with satya and truth is being really careful about when you're talking about other people. You don't know anything about anyone. I have to be very careful about this. Just putting words to people at all, like labeling. Yeah, identifying people, labeling, and like putting words to them. I think is something I have to be really careful about because I don't know what's true.
I don't know everything. And I think it takes a humility to be willing to admit that, you know, like, oh, she's so much like this or whatever. It's like, do you know, what if you're wrong? You know, and so not giving words to people, I think is quite.
Amber: So here's the funny connection. This is a neuroscience connection. We're going all over the place.
Megan: But this is what it's going to be like in…
Amber: This is how it’s gonna be. Your reticular activating system starts to look for things. So it's like what you just said, I believe my daughter is stubborn. I'm going to start seeing evidence of that crap every day. And it will confirm that she's stubborn because what we see is what we are programming in our brain. So it's like, you have to tell your brain what to look for and what to hear. And that starts with my understanding, like your word, it's almost like a cyclical thing. Like when I speak. I start to think about, and then I start to see, and then I start to hear it, and it confirms.
So it's like, being so careful. Another one that I like is Byron Katie, where she's like, go on a walk, and don't label anything. Don't even think that's a tree. Nope. Just be with it. Whatever it is. Right, you're not trying to use words because I think we so often want to label stuff. I think it's an interesting practice.
Megan: There's been a couple places where I've learned this idea, like do we have to judge it? Do we have to put words to it? Do we have opinions? The first time I heard it was, it was actually Brooke Castillo, I think. And she had a podcast called Pure Circumstance and she's like, this is going to be a little advanced, but I remember her talking about what if the circumstance doesn't need thoughts? What if instead of changing your thoughts about the circumstance, you just could have no thoughts about it?
Or you could just be an observer of it. And then the other place I loved was The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer. Like, the imagery in that book really helped me to be able to look at things without the need to put words to them or opinion to them or judge them. And I could just be with them and be present with it and even just neutral about it.
And that really helped me in my journey. But for me right now, satya is being impeccable. Like that's where I'm, practicing it right now is just really honoring the things I say and do.
Amber: Yeah. So good. You said satya means truthfulness or truthfulness with love. What does it actually mean?
Megan: Truth. Yeah. Truthfulness. Truth. Yeah. Being truthful.
Amber: See, this is why I'm so excited too, is because like, you know things that I don't know, and I love the combination cause like texted you. I was like, I'm reading the yoga sutras because I read a book called Inner Engineering by what's his name?
Sadhguru. It was like yoga, but not, you know, and he's a yogi. And so there was like a lot in there that was from… it's not my zone. I've read like three books on yoga philosophy or something. So I love that you have like the Sanskrit, you have like the background. It's so fun.
Megan I love, the author of the Yoga Sutras has a book. Well, his name is Patanjali. It's like ancient. It's script.
Amber: It reads kind of old too.
Megan: Yes, it does. The Yoga Sutras. I liked studying that with a group rather than just reading it through. But, it talks about like the eight limbs, which is an eightfold path to enlightenment.
Amber: Yes. Which is brilliant.
Megan: Yes, yes, yes, yes. And it's like this. path where we practice niyamas. And then we practice the asanas which is like the physical and then we go into the breath and then we go into meditation and then we go into, you know until you get into bliss or like peace or like some people say oneness with God, you know. I don't know just like learning it like that, but then also seeing how it related with my own faith tradition and how it related with what I was reading in the Bible. Because you guys, I'm very Christian. And so it was just really beautiful experience. And, you have to know that, like, Jesus was Eastern. He was over there. And so like,
Amber: Amber: Oh my gosh, I almost want to be like timeout. I'm reading a book about what Jesus said in Aramaic. Have we talked about this yet?
Megan: No, but yes.
Amber: We can do this later. But, yes. He was Eastern.
Megan: Yes. And there's such beautiful connections and what I've come to find over my studies is that we don't have to be afraid to dive into what other people believe or what people used to say.
For me, I believe that I'm connected to the divine and that I have discernment and that I will know. And the truth is all of these things can get weird. I remember when I was going to my yoga training, cause want to address this because I know a lot of people get worried when it comes to seeking out information and it's like, is that a good thing or is that a counterfeit?
You know, it can be messy for people. But when I was going through my yoga training, I just had this thought like, I'm going to know. I'm going to know what sits well with me, and I'm going to know what doesn't. Like we said, our beliefs create our results. So if you believe that, you can trust yourself to discern and that you'll be able to know what you're reading and be able to pick out the nuggets that fit for you and leave the stuff that doesn't, you're going to be just fine.
Amber: Yeah. One of the things that I think is really useful is like, you don't have to believe in these things. You just, is this helpful for me?
Megan: Observe it. Yeah.
Amber: Yeah. Is this perspective useful for what I'm trying to create or not? This is what's interesting. We maybe have never talked about it this way, but like for as much as me and Megan read, we leave behind a lot of stuff.
We don't take everything that we read with us. We bring the gems. It's like we're gem collectors. That's what we want to share is like the gems of what we've read and studied and learned and practiced from our students.
Megan: And there’s something magical about it, because you'll find the exact gem you need. Then you'll read the book again and you'll be like, what? It's not even there, you know? And then you'll find a different gem that's, like, exactly what you need. I found that in my scripture study. I've also found that in my study of, like all of these types of things that we're talking about today.
One of my favorite, like, yoga philosophy, you know, but it's from the book Light on Life by B. K. Sayangar. And he talks about every pore on the skin being like eyes that look inward. And that imagery really helped me develop this ability, I feel like to read something and just look, rather than like, we're just looking inward. We're looking into the book, and it's not who we are. It's just something I'm learning and then I take what's good and I leave what isn't
Amber; And that's what our invitation to you. When you join the class, it's $25, you guys.
Megan: 25 bucks.
Amber: And I've had two different people ask me like, is this the right link? It's so cheap. I'm like, no, that's the right one. This is like, I don't know, a passion project. Like we want you guys to be a little bit invested so that you get something out of it. But we wanted to make it very achievable for everyone. So come, it's going to be three parts. We start on June 6th.
I'll probably link this in my show notes. You can too. But our invitation is to come, like what Megan just said, like, you don't have to bring everything home with you. Like everything that we teach may or may not be applicable, but like looking at it differently, there's this line that Gabby Bernstein teaches, that Marianne Williamson teaches, that I really resonate with.
She's like, are you willing to see this differently? And when you're willing to see something differently, like there will be miracles because that's one of my favorite definitions of miracles is a shift in perception. I feel like that's what this is the opportunity to do is like have a shift in perception about things that maybe you've heard over and over again, you can see it differently.
Megan: Yeah, will tell you really quick when you talked about like that shift in perception I feel like I sometimes call it a paradigm shift. I have heard this so many times, so I'm like trying to explain a concept to my husband and he's like, yeah, you've told me this like 50 times, but like I had a paradigm shift the other day where I had a greater understanding. You know, in way of mastery, the pebbles in the pond, like we are the creators of our experience.
I had a greater understanding of that. I was reading a book and talking to my sister and we were discussing it and my eyes were opened on another level. And I feel like a lot of you guys are going to come to this and you have already heard a lot of what we're going to talk about. But for me, it's like, hearing it again in a different way.
Sometimes it's just the thing that ignites the change. And I think if you come to the class with that desire, like transformation or like a paradigm shift, something like a breakthrough, I truly believe you'll find it.
Amber: Amen. Because we get what we're looking for. And so to me, it's like, don't do in this class because it's not about like… I feel like this is a curated class of like wisdom from lots of sources and you get to discern. And that's like the one ask is like, come with discernment. What do you need to hear for your own mastery, for your own transformation in your life? And the things that I like selfishly excited about is like, I don't do a lot of life… that’s not true. I do a lot of life coaching privately. I don't do a lot of life coaching in groups because business, you know, I coach on entrepreneurship, but I think that I'm really excited to bring it to a group. I haven't done it in a long time.
Megan: So, yeah, I think it's going to be fun to like, just some of these topics that are not specific to business, but kind of be applied all over the place.
Amber: Yes.
Megan: Yeah.
Amber: Cool.
Megan: So fun.
Amber: Okay talk to you later, bye!
